Remember back last summer when the Supreme Court determined that, by parsing... Jesus sent his apostles on a mission that was impossible to accomplish... [book and purchase info.] Anyways, I kind of enjoyed these podcasts when I had the free time and was still learning about Catholicism, but as classes have ramped up, I admit to having stopped listening to a lot of them since I have very little free time now (I now listen to maybe a couple from Dr. Marshall here and there). (9:16 PM), My sole issue with his Easter tweet was that he retracted his previous due criticisms of the SSPX, which I worried would nudge many of the faithful to attend SSPX liturgy, which would endanger the less-educated in the Faith, since they will more readily succumb to the rebellious mindset of the Society towards VC II and towards the Novus Ordo, a mindset that is condemned by the Church. I found out today that the peace sign is semaphore. In September of 2018, Marshall and Gordon made a podcast entitled Third Secret of Fatima & the Smoke of Satan in the Church.I was quite interested to see the direction in which they took the … (10:31 AM), It’s a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. Here philosopher Timothy Gordon forcefully disagrees, arguing that while anti-Catholic bias kept them from admitting their reliance on Aristotle, Aquinas, and the early Jesuits, our Protestant and Enlightenment Founding Fathers secretly held Catholic views about politics and nature. Brothers squabbling a bit is the inevitable cost of abandonment by our spiritual fathers; all of us have various talents, but none of us have authority to pronounce on theological questions. Sorry Gordon’s, but this seems to be the only way. They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. And most of these people think you’re scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. (9:50 PM), Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. Reply to Self-Described "Traditionalist" Steven O'Reilly, Apostasy of Disciples (Jn 6:66) & Protestant Commentaries, St. Augustine’s Communion (Standing, in the Hand). RoP [. . For their good and mine and all of us, I’m officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL[.] That is pretty much it. Ego kills. I’m asking this because I feel strongly about Pope Francis and the good work he is doing the world, he is bringing people together by not condemning people, by being Christllike. Dave’s position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. Can we talk about that? This happened on Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. It’s not a matter of opinion. Cancel Culture? Can’t be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. (8:33 PM), Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his family’s reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. (4-13-20, 12:16 AM). I’m blocking the 3 Gordon’s because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. (4:38 PM), People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). Garces teacher Timothy Gordon has some strong opinions about Black Lives Matter, about sexual orientation and about street violence, and they seem to have cost him his job. It’s not the first time. Gordon: “not material heresy. This mainstream trad Catholic dalliance with the schismatic SSPX (canon 751) is beginning to endanger the souls of the faithful and it needs quashing with dispatch. NOT TOO LATE! But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIII’s IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis, Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. (4-14-20, 8:58 AM). Neutral and objective. You bet. any way—public or private—to reconcile with TM is good. Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon, an episode of The Patrick Coffin Show | Interviews with influencers | Commentary about culture | Tools for transformation, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. He holds degrees in literature, history, philosophy, and law. I wondered why I hadn’t seen Timothy’s face on the ubiquitous Taylor Marshall videos as of late . I think you’re [Steve Skojec] closer to my position than Taylor’s since both of us won’t attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will… (5:20 PM), In the interest Christian unity, I’d like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that @TaylorRMarshall erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. . (9:16 PM), Also for the record, I’ve never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. Canal: Right on Point Podcast. He’s worse than Mark Shea. I was being snubbed. They are, A) she’s calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. That’s why. (3:02 PM), [DorotaG had tweeted (4-12-20, 11:01 PM): “My bishop in endangering my soul and the boot licking FSSP is nowhere to offer a real mass. Not just VC2. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Dave’s tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil[.] It’s “intellectual.” Civil discussion is what’s needed and you won’t even respond to me, privately or publicly. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! this morning, actually. (3:54 PM), Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. It is fixable. Get updates from Biblical Evidence for Catholicism delivered straight to your inbox. I just don’t want this dragging out in public. (7:58 PM), I called him yesterday. (3:04 PM), I don’t believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. The original story was that he was apparently leaving to focus on his own podcast series or something like it and that it was a relatively amicable departure. (1:49 PM), That’s heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. We are thrilled to bring Dr. Taylor Marshall and Mr. Timothy Gordon, the co-hosts of the TnT show, on board for an edifying discussion... Programa: Right on Point Podcast. Only one offering mass, confession and benediction for over a month.”], For my part, I didn’t even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. But at first disagreement (my critical review of his book, Infiltration) I was immediately banned from his Twitter page and have been the fodder for his (rather juvenile and petty) insults ever since. I mean, have Taylor and Tim never heard of private messaging or text messaging? The history of the tradition of fasting is fascinating, but my husband and I were really inspired by what these gentlemen are doing. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Traditionalism vs. Major pattern. Just ask them, JP2 indeed spread a false ecumenism but wasn’t trying to kill the TLM entirely. I can get over combat fast, cuz I’ve done a lot of literal and figurative fighting, I’m not asserting with certainty that SSPX is in a formal schism. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). Let’s have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. Show me where I called you a single name. Church and ministry leadership resources to better equip, train and provide ideas for today's church and ministry leaders, like you. Are These The Faces Of Masculine Manly He Men That Rad Trad Influencers Like Ann Barnhadt, Taylor Marshall, Timothy Gordon, Michael Voris & Christine Niles Always Swoon Over... Top L-R: Chicago tech CEO Brad Rukstales, Richard Barnett, 60, … erred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. It’s quite strange, no? All else is minutiae[.] Don’t act as if fringe groups and their leaders aren’t the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. It’s intolerable[.] Another wrong SSPX talking point. ], I’m not a grudge holder. For $5/month, you will have access to exclusive content not available elsewhere. Mr. Gordon presently resides in Central California, where he writes, speaks for the Federalist Society, and clerks for Kuhs & Parker. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, I’m sorry. Mind your business Steve. (3:13 PM), It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP “bootlickers,” a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. Acta non verba. I went through a Taylor Marshall phase. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldn’t be a call. Steven O’Reilly made the obvious point in a tweet underneath Timothy Gordon’s (4-13-20, 5:20 PM): The problem is, in order to unite the clans, as in the analogy, a William Wallace is needed. (9:46 PM), No worries at all. Just defending myself with the truth. Show me where I called you a single name. I don’t care about the business model. but for all “negative” comments about them. Can’t be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. I don’t care about the business model. It’s destructive and wrong. Look at what the Church says on the matter: Debating an issue is fragging? I think it comes dangerously close. I’ll speak to ANY of these guys I’ve ever crossed swords with. Not gonna tweet anymore on this[. PS: this isn’t a big deal. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Dave’s tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil. Hello Everyone! Show The Counsel of Trent, Ep #224 – DIALOGUE: Can Christians be feminists? That's it? For their good and mine and all of us, I’m officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. Also for the record, I’ve never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. Justice demands that I set the record straight. It’s quite strange, no? Don’t worry brother, No worries at all. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. Join. Spotify Users: For listening to The Taylor Marshall Show on Spotify, search in Spotify for “Taylor Marshall.” Our you can listen/watch to the Taylor Marshall Show via Youtube : If you like this podcast, please leave a review on iTunes. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. The latter of which was/is troubling and misleading[.] Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. In 2016, Knowles was invited to … (4-13-20, 12:52 PM), I reached out to [Timothy Gordon] this morning, actually. The attempts to throw Dave under the bus are silly. I used to watch Taylor Marshall constantly but every day now he has videos and podcasts coming out that seem to attempt to destroy Pope Francis. [2:41 PM), Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. For those who don't know, they are both in the traditionalist Catholic blogosphere (in an extremely brief summary, traditionalist Catholics are very conservative and prefer Catholic rituals done as they were before the Second Vatican Council). The basic trouble with going far right on the ecclesiastical spectrum: radical right; radical Catholic reactionary, is how far right does one go? I read somewhere that it has something to do with the Society of St. Pius X, a group in an "irregular situation" regarding canonical status due to the founder's excommunication, but I'm not sure how exactly involved they are in the Marshall vs Gordon thing. (1:53 PM), The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. All of us, me included. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. I heard he was mad about some of them, Thomas Splettstoesser (8-15-06): atomic structure of profilin in comlex with actin, PDB code 2BTF, cartoon representation, rendered with PyMol, Yes, I want the Patheos Catholic Newsletter as well, Identity Politics vs. Transactional Politics. All else is minutiae, God bless FSSP! All of us, me included. (8:50 PM), You bet. Easter Sunday when Taylor Marshall received the sacraments from the SSPX: the breakaway group which is in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church. The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. It’s intolerable, It’s a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. 2 of Dave’s biggest heroes—Sheen and Burke—agree with him[.] He was acting as a good father. Tolkien tier . (4-14-20, 4:34 PM), I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. RoP [Right On Point] is a perfect forum for this. Mind your business Steve [Skojec]. 114: The Slow Death of Manhood—Dr. ” Delighted to hear that! or save 16% if you pay annually. (3:39 PM), Nonsense. Radical Catholic Reactionaries, Christian Apologetics Methodology: Similarities with Science, Dismantling Whitaker’s Sola Scriptura Arguments. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP “bootlickers,” a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. What’s obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism, That’s what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. I used to believe this nonsense as well. Don’t worry brother[.] It becomes like the infighting of pope-less Eastern Orthodoxy. Irrelevant. Gotta be two-sided though. I’ve been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both well—they’re both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELL—spoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. Take it up with them. Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. He’s got a good heart and we’ve both had a hard year. Moreover, since we are not in full communion with SSPX, receiving the Eucharist with them is a performed falsehood. No positive or ...", "Good give and take, Dave, thanks for posting.". I think it comes dangerously close. Quasi-schism is starting to fade . Sorry, Taylor! Will do whatever I can. per month. Truly care for him. Cuz the Church won’t clarify. About Timothy Gordon. And it ain’t gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. I’m saying that “formal adherence” to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. (8:33 PM), He made it sound like he called back, Steve. (3:04 PM), Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. Will do whatever I can. The answer always insinuates “formal adherence” to schism. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. 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